Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field

> Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field. Oh man, I think you may have touched the third rail here. (as in, danger... but it powers the train) My first job out of high school was as an AutoCAD/network admin at a large Civil & Structural firm. I later got further into tech. After my initial experience, software "engineering" always made my eyes roll. In Civil, Structural, and many other fields, Engineers have a path to Professional Engineer. That PE stamp means that you suffer actual legal consequences if you are found guilty of gross negligence in your field. This is why Engineering firms are a collective of actual Professional Engineer partners, and not your average corporate structure. The issue is that in software dev, we move fast, SOC2 is screenshot theater, and actual Engineering would slow things way down. But, now that coding is fast, maybe yo…

>He was successful in the end So it sounds like it was fine? Why would this prompt (haha) a change in their approach to things?

As a junior dev there is this pressure to produce code, add features, and investigate bugs within unprecedented time period. I know whole code base is fking up but i will still add that feature or do a sloppy bug fix without digging deeper.

> Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field I think it’ll be the opposite. Maybe it’ll be what will eventually cement the field as “talent” based field. Just like it was difficult to quantify what makes a flute player better than another, how good your are at endlessly prompting a blackbox machine would be the only measure. The engineers of ol’ whoe developed kernels and drivers would be thought of as the “crazy people who put the flute against their temple to tune it” LOL. we don’t need people like that. You can just buy a flute tuning device. who gives a fuck? Can you make the next “Shake it, Shake it”?

I work at software in a medical setting. We are piloting an integration with a startup for measuring [some bodily variable relevant in ICU setting]. They are obviously vibecoding (docs are telling) and their API is failing in unexpected ways that they are not able to resolve. I am just waiting when this are going to harm somebody.

This is the pattern you will see when medium-successful ignorant people take o ver a system that was based on some kind of standard. You can see the same approach is taken by Trump and other people. “You have TDS!! He is actually doing good. He doesn’t follow rules because the system is rigged etc.” These arguments border on religion because it is predicated on you believing their ignorant point of view in the first place. Engineering and science is built on rigor and empirical evidence, it is not built by scammers/businessman/ignorant-people/politicians because that is just not how it works