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If you're VC-funded then the valuation is the most important thing

If you're VC-funded then the valuation is the most important thing. The only way to juice your valuation is to get recurring revenue, because it comes with an 8x to 10x multiple. So you don't want to be in the hardware game, you want to use hardware to get a foothold in someone's home and then get them to pay you a subscription to maintain that hardware. I think the valuation thing is what drives 90% of this stuff. Whereas an established company like Honeywell is more interested in building products and selling a lot of them, so they're going to charge you 5-10x of the cost of a Nest for the same feature set but with a local-first implementation instead of a cloud-first implementation. I don't think I would ever buy a hardware product from a company billing themselves as a VC-backed startup. Also, FWIW the Nest is a perfectly functional thermostat even if you never hook it up to their app. We found the scheduling and learning features to be really annoying so we turned them all off and never connected ours to the cloud.

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Connected thermostats are great in theory! But they should not have to rely on a cloud connection. A local network with the option of internet connectivity would be awesome; but, it seems, no company is going to become uber successful if there isn't the option of forced upgrades and cloud subscriptions. Look at Ring...

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I agree almost entirely, but I gotta quibble a point: > so [companies like Honeywell] are going to charge you 5-10x of the cost of a Nest for the same feature set but with a local-first implementation "Established" companies also see the long-term value of subscriptions and are also hopping on that bandwagon. Additionally, customers are extremely sensitive to up-front price, so a product that's more expensive up-front but with no subscription fee and longer-term value will have trouble finding a foothold in the market compared to cheaper but subscription-based alternatives. Especially if the alternatives are "1 year free!" as they usually are.

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Just because someone found them annoying doesn’t mean others do. Nests performed well in unique spaces with different heating and cooling profiles, not to mention different kinds of shoulder seasons.

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> Whereas an established company like Honeywell is [...] going to charge you 5-10x of the cost of a Nest A Nest is ~$150, so I'm curious where these $750-1500 thermostats are... Seems like you get a Honeywell thermostat for almost exactly the same price, if you don't care about cloud connectivity.

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