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Younger engineers trying to find jobs in the industry should consider how much the other parts of …

… Younger engineers trying to find jobs in the industry should consider how much the other parts of the hiring process privilege older engineers regardless of ability. I'm sure many of the people I worked with who lacked basic coding competence twenty years ago still lack competence and are employed right now in jobs that require it, jobs that could go to younger, more capable people except that their resume, their experience, and their ability to say the right-sounding thing don't match up. Hiring someone to write code without ever seeing them do it is like hiring a guitar player for a band by verifying their MFA in music theory, talking to them about music for an hour, and checking their references. All that is fine, but can they play the guitar? You can acquire everything else, the lingo, the knowledge of music theory, the pros and cons of competing techniques, the familiarity with current and past great performers and performances, without ever putting your hands on the instrument. And some people are built like that. …

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>Add me to the list of people who acknowledge the problem but haven't heard any alternative. Credentials like doctors and lawyers. You don't ask your surgeon for a demo before going in do you? Stakes are way higher and there are obviously bad doctors too. Bad managers do way more damage than bad developers, and I don't think I've heard of managers having to mock manage a team for an hour, and I'm sure it's just as vulnerable to bullshitting. What it really seems like is the lower end positions get the hoops to jump through while the upper level positions (manager and staff+ ICs) have it easy despite having way more impact and being paid more.

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+1 For me, it goes even deeper than this. I prefer the person to write pseudo code on a whiteboard. It removes the stress of syntax, speeds things up, and shows if the person can think in computer logic. The other advantage, for me as an interviewer, is this is how I like to work with others - whiteboard sessions to discuss and exchange ideas.

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