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Lots of good gems > And yet, when people talk about the labor market, they think “oh, a company …

Lots of good gems > And yet, when people talk about the labor market, they think “oh, a company wants to give me a job! What a relief!” As though having a job were in itself some special privilege for which a company is the gatekeeper. > > Dispel yourself of this mindset. > > A job is just a deal. It is a deal between you and a company to exchange labor for money (and other things you value). > > Negotiating is a natural and expected part of the process of trying to make a deal. It’s also a signal of competence and seriousness. Companies generally respect candidates who negotiate, and most highly attractive candidates negotiate (if for no other reason, because they often have too many options to choose from). I'm far from a great negotiator, but there are definitely lots of good lessons from here that I've learned the hard way over time and through experience.

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One of the greatest gems I got from a blog post once posted back in HN (I can't find it anymore, unfortunately) was about a guy getting a job at Google (or ex-Googler), and he dropped the following (I'm paraphrasing, of course): > Treat yourself as a business and every job offer as a business deal. Every job offer is a deal, a business deal that must remain carefully balanced win-win. If you let it slip, by getting too much work and not the required promotion or salary bump, it will become a win-lose deal (you on the losing end). It was a short post, but that piece of advice has been with me for more than 10 years now.

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> Companies generally respect candidates who negotiate Is this really the case? If a company is giving you an offer, presumably they want to hire you. At that point, does the recruiter, your hiring manager, your skip level, the CTO, the CEO even care at that point? Does this respect ever come into play in future performance reviews? I personally don’t think so, but I’ve only ever worked for larger companies. I’ve always thought you should negotiate because you’re potentially leaving money on the table, since companies will often try to lowball your offer.

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