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In my experience, MS and others give you a chance to correct the issue and if you don't do so in a …

In my experience, MS and others give you a chance to correct the issue and if you don't do so in a timely manner (which requires qualified help), or it isn't corrected, then you get blackholed thereafter, and will remain that way up to years afterwards. There is very little interaction from them, they assume you'll be professional enough to read the published literature and act accordingly. The literature is a way of adding cost to those that would send spam, it also adds cost in other ways. If I had to guess without knowing more, assuming you've correctly configured yourself locally (which may not actually be the case), I'd say it could be because of your ISP. In recent years, with the depletion and exhaustion of IPv4 address space, many ISPs have moved towards CGNAT, where multiple customers share the same IP transparently. The ISP may do this without you knowing, but you'd have to have constructive knowledge in some fine print. Subsequently by extension, they share the same reputation characteristics for that portion as others on the same network. …

Original discussionSpammers are better at SPF, DKIM, and DMARC than everyone else253 source comments · at import
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MS flat out refuses to unblock our IP on their "outlook protection" racket despite many attempts through their self-service website. Our IP is the same for the last ... ~5 years now? Is it because we did not buy a /24? is it because we are so small they have no real reputation data? who knows!

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>The literature is a way of adding cost to those that would send spam, it also adds cost in other ways. It is an oversimplified way of evaluating of consequences of overwhelming control the two monopolists have over access of small providers to email services. And it leads to wrong conclusions at least in respect to the range of its influence. Yes, it makes difficult life for the small amateur spammers as strongly as for beginner administrators and service providers. However while for the determined spammers to hire experts isn't a problem for small entrepreneurs and for non-profit personal activities it is a blocking barrier. Of course, they can use the services of established providers with all the limitations and other disadvantages of such solutions or accept slavery joining millions of users and firms accepting full and unlimited control of MS and Google (to their undisguised satisf…

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Thanks for the details! (It's not a residential IP, it's a VM at Hetzner.) >If you don't follow the practices the industry publishes, they don't relay the traffic. They are sending us email, we forward it, Gmail throttles it because it looks like spam, and then they don't accept the bounce for example :) > I should know because I've worked in this area for quite a long time. It really is not black magick, and it is a specialized niche for a reason. It's not black magic, it's abuse of market power.

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