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I've been wading through terabytes of financial data over the past month

I've been wading through terabytes of financial data over the past month. (I'm an ML/AI software engineer trying to create a trading bot that makes me more consistent income during times of uncertainty that are outside my control.) This is some of the data I'm looking at. NVDA price on a particular day vs. average position of trades in bid ask spread aggregated over 10 seconds, on all the exchanges it is being traded on. When it is close to 1, it is trading at close to the NBBO ask; when it is close to 0, it is trading at close to the NBBO bid. https://imgur.com/a/lcCwDsj One of the things I found is that the dark pool trades predict price action very well on a few-minute time horizon. "FINRA Alternative Display Facility" on the 2nd plot from the top is all the darkpool trades. If I had access to dark pool trade data in real time I think I could piggyback off the manipulators and make bank. Unfortunately the SEC only requires them to report transactions within 15 minutes, not in real time.

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WH

There might be other ways to know about the data in advance? Some kind of flaw somewhere that lets us sniff the “dark rooms”?

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RK

If that's the case, couldn't the providers who operate the dark rooms (like OpenChronos) use their own realtime data to do so? Are there any who do that today? (i.e. monetized market surveillance). If so, does it run afoul of regulations?

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DM

That's one of the purposes of darkpools, to let institutions trade large size without moving the market. No one's getting manipulated here: both the buyers and sellers know what's going on. You can trade on these yourself - the darkpool operators are always looking for new market makers. All you need to do is agree to quote a few hundred US equities in decent size inside the NBBO, six and a half hours a day, and you too can have access to this flow.

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EL

> Unfortunately the SEC only requires them to report transactions within 15 minutes, not in real time. TRF reports must happen within 10 seconds or be submitted with a late modifier [0]. An executing broker systematically submitting all reports 15 minutes late would be investigated pretty quickly. You can buy access to the consolidated tape from a marketdata provider, although this is going to be pretty prohibitively expensive for an individual. [0] https://www.finra.org/rules-guidance/rulebooks/finra-rules/6...

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MA

why do you think you will be able to generate "consistent income" with a trading bot in a field that is highly scrutinized by some of the best talents in the world with access to better & faster data and backed by a mountain of capital?

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