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In Cybersecurity and DevTooling we've moved the entire Engineering and Product function to Israel, …

… In Cybersecurity and DevTooling we've moved the entire Engineering and Product function to Israel, India, and Eastern Europe (Czechia, Poland, Romania). We'll still fund founders in the US, but they still end up hiring in those countries instead because you can pay "Austin in 2010" salaries and get top tier talent. 20 years ago, P/L responsibility would remain in the US, but in the current iteration, even P/L stakeholders are now abroad.

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swimorsinkaHN

I can confirm this. Former Senior Manager from Big Tech Co here (I just resigned 2 weeks ago). When I left, we were in the middle of offshoring all of my groups to Amsterdam. No stock compensation in Europe = cheaper devs. There was no real talk of replacing anyone with AI. We all used copilot and the other LLMs as tools, but you still needed devs who understood the systems and how to debug the generated code.

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msthrway8709HN

Thirding this, group manager at Microsoft. Throwaway as I post regularly under my professional account. VPs have been explicit, in writing, that we are shifting heads to lower cost geos. Hiring has been largely halted in the US for the bulk of non-business-critical roles to shift PCNs overseas, and there have been multiple waves of US focused layoffs to motivate this further. While offshoring has been a topic for the last 20+ years of my career, this time, since 2022 or so, feels different even vs. prior recessions, and I expect we'll see continuing erosion in the quality of engineering positions and careers.

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redphony02HN

I created an account specifically to reply to this comment. I am the Romanian that Engineering got outsourced to. Year 2 of college, first job ever. I feel bad in a way, considering that I probably stole some other engineer's job simply because I am cheaper. It's a moral problem I hadn't(or rather, didn't want to) consider before reading this comment thread. I love the people I work with(both overseas and local), but comments like these make me wonder if I've made the wrong choice.

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