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You can complain about this, you can talk about how unfair it is, you can extol the virtues of PWAs …

… You can complain about this, you can talk about how unfair it is, you can extol the virtues of PWAs but at the end of the day it just doesn’t matter. Customers have spoken, they want apps. I launched my current company as a website/PWA and all I got was a lot of heartache: “I can’t find it in the App Store”. Not a single person said “thank you for making this a website”. In fact, I get 1-2 complaints (from thousands of users) of “I don’t want to download an app” to which I tell them “you don’t have to, the website spells this out very clearly, you can use the website and/or save it to your home screen, no app install needed”. I tell that story to illustrate how few people even say they care, but also can’t grok that they don’t need to install an app. That “1-2” pales in comparison to the people who complained about it not being a “real app”. So if you want to fight against native apps be my guest but you’re fighting a battle that customers do not care about (I cannot stress enough that: HN != normal customers) and they will not thank you for. …

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CO

They say to find someone who’s done what you want to do. We’ll, I want to re-launch a successful progressive web app (PWA). I had some success ($500 MRR) with shareware, 20 years ago, but those methods probably don’t work anymore. What does work? If you’ve had success, maybe you would be willing to exchange some email?

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LO

That's why there are efforts to get platform companies to allow putting PWAs into their app stores. I think on Android it's already possible with a thin wrapper and with regulatory pressure it might be necessary for other platforms to enable that as well.

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TH

"customer don't care what language/framework you are using" is a strange way to support a claim they do care about having a native app over a PWA. The first statement highlights that the user just wants something that works as advertised, and doesn't care about the framework. But the second statement highlights that, despite their disinterest in the technology, they care deeply about the app's delivery tech (PWAs vs native). I think this juxtaposition reveals a lot about why things are the way they are, and why users are forced to care about native apps over PWAs. Just like language is a vehicle for logic, the app delivery tech is just a vehicle for a UI. PWA tech sucks because platforms are incentivized to make it suck. People prefer native apps because they're being funnelled down that path by anti-competitive interests. You don't seem to make that connection. I get it, you were burned…

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JI

> Customers want apps. Companies want apps. No one except us nerds want PWAs. I used to work on a platform that offered native iOS apps, native Android apps, and PWA / web apps for all our customers. When users were given the choice, around two thirds opted for the native iOS app, about a quarter opted for the native Android app, and about 10% opted for the PWA / web app. That’s including desktop users, not just mobile. Users want native apps.

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KI

You talk a lot about what customers want, but they want apps only because Apple makes PWAs so unpleasant. There are some tech limitations (games might be tougher), but most of what makes PWAs suck is Apple. In another timeline, Apple chose to double-down on PWAs instead of the App Store after the iphone 1, and PWAs are the majority of non-performance-sensitive smartphone applications.

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IK

Tell that to users of https://sniffies.com nsfw Can’t have that on the app store.

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JO

Users also have their favourite messaging apps and services, completely oblivious to the fact that it’s actually completely stupid that there is basically no interoperability between these apps and services. Imagine if Yahoo mail could never send emails to Hotmail or Gmail. People in the know rightfully care about the erosion of standards for which big tech have built their empires upon.

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