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However, what this person didn't consider (because they were new) that the org was not going to …

… However, what this person didn't consider (because they were new) that the org was not going to give much (if any) time to move stuff over to this new system. As a result, we're about 50% of the way done 18 months in, and in the interim, we've had to not do a bunch of stuff that would actually improve our product. Like, I remember (and HN hate this company so it's unlikely to be listened to) when FB started getting really successful (2013-15), we ended up hiring a lot of Google/Amazon managers and leaders externally and probably through negligence, they ended up destroying a bunch of what made the culture great. Hiring bad managers is much, much worse than no managers, but if you promote an IC then they have a valid stepdown path if it doesn't work, which an external manager is less likely to have (or indeed, accept). And thus concludes my Ted Talk about avoiding external managers.

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I do not agree with your premise that hiring a manager from outside of an organization is inherently doomed to failure.

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> And thus concludes my Ted Talk about avoiding external managers. This was a pretty good Ted Talk!

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Also, if one of the individual engineers on the team has a desire to try management, took the training courses, has the support of the team, and believes he'll get a shot next time a manager is needed... and then you announce "Well, we couldn't find anyone internal for the job, so meet your new manager: the stranger we hired externally!" I guarantee that engineer will become instantly demoralized, checked out, and will likely quit soon. Source: My experience in my last three jobs.

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