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Last year when I started looking for jobs I landed a job in a company that did consulting services

Last year when I started looking for jobs I landed a job in a company that did consulting services. All looked fine on the outside, but when I joined I found out they are doing software for this kind of stalking, and even use AI to classify employees as "productive", "not productive", and other criteria based on their computer's activity. I noped the hell out of there without even having spent a week working for them. The fact that they even accepted those kind of jobs told me our sense of ethics was way too different, and I didn't want to contribute to that. If it were "just" web tracking, then I would be able to (barely) accept it, if a bit reluctantly. But that's more or less where I draw the line. I still haven't found a job since then, and I'm currently barely surviving through freelance gigs. Professionally speaking, leaving that job might have been a mistake; but I still think it was the correct decision.

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Everyone replying with "what's the big deal?" is showing their tech privilege. You may not have to deal with intrusive monitoring, but warehouse workers are increasingly being made to wear ankle bracelets so every movement of theirs can be monitored and stack ranked. Workers in WFH "gig" jobs are made to install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones (which are required for the job). Companies take photos/videos of them in their homes every few minutes throughout the day. Plenty of jobs require you to hand your social media passwords to your employer. There is an entire class of companies that specialize in all of this. Not everyone is able to say "no" to all this and still make rent next month. I'm happy the government is finally stepping in.

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I'd have done the same, and have done before when I've found myself on client projects related to online gambling (the business model is to milk addicts for everything they have and more, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise). I know if I don't do it someone else will so it doesn't really make a difference - but at least I can retain some sense that I'm not the kind of person who does bad things, and that's worth something. With web tracking you can at least be 'careless' in your implementation and 'accidentally' make it not work very well because most of the time nobody will ever test it properly. No way to get away with that with this "Bossware" stuff, it'll be in active use all the time. Hope you find something better soon.

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Thanks to the article I now have the proper word for it: Bossware. I feel reminded of Ploito. It got advertised on HN. 6 months later I'm sure: It was an ad to gain attention. Idk what happened but it seems that the poster and their business owner became very silent 2 months after their pitch. It's still worth to quote the BO > "weed out the lazy and deceitful, thereby forming a healthy and efficient team." It's bossware disguised as a "cool" product to connect teams. You could say it's a Trojan horse. Sure the monitoring is all "optional" but the mentality is baked into the product. For me it's just right to reject every potential company installing bossware alone for your personal health. People burn out under constant monitoring forced to be 100% productive all day. Have a bad day? Sad for you, it lowers your numbers. Sick leave instead? "Oh what a weak person, how unreliable". People…

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I worked through a couple onboarding/marketing projects for a large financial institution several years ago... I finished up my 6 month contract, but felt icky and didn't want to continue beyond that. I also outright refused to work on a project for the RIAA at one time as well.

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