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This looks great, but it makes me very sad and annoyed through no fault of its own

This looks great, but it makes me very sad and annoyed through no fault of its own. I started building a Plex/Jellyfin clone in 2019 (around the same time it looks like!), got pretty far into it as well, using a pretty similar messaging system and everything (using ZeroMQ instead of Rabbit). I was working for Apple at the time, and I wanted to open source it, so I had to talk to a bunch of management, eventually someone just two levels below Tim Cook, who told me that it was a "competitive" product, because it served video, and Apple sold video. He also informed me that if it's found out I open sourced it, I would be promptly terminated and would potentially face legal action as it would be in direct violation of my non-compete, and moreover since I was working for Apple they legally owned it anyway. He then explained that there's no such thing as "my own time", as Apple really wants me to be focused on Apple, and nothing else I genuinely had to hold back tears in that managers office, because it really felt like a punch in the gut. …

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I started working on Kyoo almost 5 years ago because I did not like the options at the time. It started as a "sandbox" project where I could learn about tech I was interested in, and slowly became more than that.

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> I still don't want any extra drama from the company Yeah, they are really good at that. I had a friend discover a vulnerability once, and behind the scenes they took it very seriously. But publicly, they disparaged him mercilessly and even got DaringFireball in on it. (Yes, he takes Apple money; of course he does)

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That sucks dude, I'm sorry. I mean, I get it from the company's perspective. They have a product that serves video, you were building a thing that served video. The thing that irks me is that since they build multiple operating systems and a wide range of software, literally anything you write and publish on the public internet is theirs simply because they will fire you and sue you into oblivion. Even if you _technically_ slip through a loop hole, they have more money and time than you do. Stories like this remind me that I have to be careful about who I work for, the scope of that work, and where I publish it. Thankfully, I think I'm in the clear as long as I don't invent a thing that solves the traveling salesman problem.

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> since I was working for Apple they legally owned it anyway IANAL but I think they were lying to you. CA law protecting your after-hours code from your employer: https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2011/lab/division-3/... NY law doing the same thing: https://casetext.com/statute/consolidated-laws-of-new-york/c...

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Even the FTC commissioner can’t get air time. As far as Apple is concerned, an informed public is competition with Apple.

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You got the Jon Stewart treatment when Apple execs tried to suppress the segments on “AI” and “China”. This company is completely ruined for me. Feels disgusting to have dumped nearly 6 figures into this company across a decade. (this includes hardware, software, media, “App Store” purchases, merch, services, phones, music players) It’s not much to the bottom line but to me I was in deep.

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