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[Also in case anyone do face this argument: as a general rule don't unless you feel like a founder …

… [Also in case anyone do face this argument: as a general rule don't unless you feel like a founder and your share holding gives you good reason to; e.g. even in one of the startups I got 7.5% of on joining I was paid above my previous salary - the one case mentioned above where I was "underpaid" for 6 months, I had 25% of the shares when the company was founded] > But the investor only demands a meager $200 million return on their $400 million investment before they recognize the workers' investments. "The investor" here are mostly VC funds that almost certainly lost money on the return they did get, as they in turn take investments on terms that leave them with a minority of the profit after clearing certain hurdles . Given the duration from the last round and the amount of the exit, it's highly unlikely that exit cleared the hurdle, and so this likely at best did nothing towards the VC fund managers profitability either. At best it will have offset even worse investments a little bit. …

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The employees were sold a lie that their stock options were worth taking a lower salary. Every single developer effectively invested something resembling 10-30k and was totally wiped out, and if they worked there 3 years that's probably a quarter of their life savings. But the investor only demands a meager $200 million return on their $400 million investment before they recognize the workers' investments.

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Isn't that the broadly accepted value proposition for working at a startup? You accept greater job insecurity than more established companies, and lower salary than more established companies, but in return you get the opportunity to receive a larger slice of the proceeds from a "good" exit. It's like buying a lottery ticket. You don't sign on with Meta expecting a great exit, but you gamble that you might see a great exit when you sign on with Series-B-R-Us. I'm not saying I agree with the gp here that the workers were wronged, but the widespread assumption is that startups pay less than more established companies. And I agree completely that the gamble did not pay off for anybody here. The investors lost money, the workers lost money, the founders lost money. And that's the risk you take on when you make that kind of investment. I've definitely declined further interviews with companie…

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In my experience, startup employers will never volunteer information like whether there are liquidation preferences.

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