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As someone who joined pre-pandemic, my opinion is that we were unsustainably lean at the time

As someone who joined pre-pandemic, my opinion is that we were unsustainably lean at the time. I was shocked at how small the infrastructure team was when I joined the company and things were honestly a bit rickety at the user scale we were at then. While engineering was probably the single biggest department, a large chunk of that 200 were in departments like Trust & Safety and Customer Experience (support). We saw a huge amount of user growth during the pandemic, we massively increased the number of users that could be in a single guild (server), we launched features that asked a lot more from our AV backend (stage channels, camera video in guild voice), had to deal with a massive increase in spam during the crypto boom, expanded voice calls to Xbox and PS5 and had to deal with an increasingly fraught regulatory environment. We also shipped a lot of user-facing features during that timeframe. …

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Eyeball test with zero context, but honestly? I doubt a 17% layoff will cut deep enough. That still leaves them with more than 4x the employees they had in 2020 (when the product had already reached massive scale and, IMO, very high quality): > “We grew quickly and expanded our workforce even faster, increasing by 5x since 2020,” Citron wrote. “As a result, we took on more projects and became less efficient in how we operated.” I know someone always makes a comment about "wow, X company had Y000 employees? what do they even do all day?", and I don't wanna be glib, but it really does seem like they expanded beyond any kind of reasonable measure. If I were at Discord, and I wasn't part of an extremely core team with a direct line to revenue generation, I would be sharpening up my resume. --- Edit: Okay, I missed this: > Discord has raised a total of about $1 billion in funding. It has more…

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This is great context and I really appreciate it. I honestly thought of Discord as being super stable even in 2020; interesting to hear things felt rickety, internally. My sense is that Discord was exploring a lot of different ideas for monetization all at once, and that maybe the sprawl of new projects got unwieldy, esp. in 2022-23; how accurate would you say that is?

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Still -- my quick google came up with 750 employees mid 2023. So this is 125-ish employees. Particularly with 5 months severance, that seems too small to save much money (assuming $300k fully loaded, that's $40m pa) and also too small to materially impact velocity by reducing headcount and being more careful about commits. I'd expect more like a 50% cut to really speed up the significantly fewer projects by eliminating coordination overhead and giving PMs the ability to really slash projects. ps -- I'm not claiming it was bloated, that's (implicitly, and I believe fairly?) the ceo's claim.

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It’s the way HN continues to rationalize the hundreds of thousands of layoffs. Every company is bloated and few software engineers are worth keeping it seems.

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