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RE #2, I've heard they have less than $1M in ARR, but somehow (according to LinkedIn), have 61 …

… RE #2, I've heard they have less than $1M in ARR, but somehow (according to LinkedIn), have 61 employees. We had 4 employees when we were at $1M in ARR (and growing around 700% YoY). Even when we were growing quickly, we hired slowly: IIRC we were at around 30 employees at around $10M ARR. (That's less than half the employees Airplane had... even though we were 10x their revenue.) When we started Retool, average headcount costs were around $300k / year. So if you have 60 heads burning $300 / year, that's $18M / year. If you only have $1M in ARR, you're burning $17M a year. Ouch! (If you're burning $17M a year, it's not hard to see why a fundraise of $32M would only last you 18 months.) To me, it's tragic that a great product like Airplane has to shut down. Tragic both for the team, but also for its customers (who have three months to rebuild everything). Building a great product is the hardest part of starting a startup, not "not hiring". I'm hoping that a more challenging fundraising environment will make ~profitable startups more common going forward. …

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SW

> You just have to build a great product [1], sarcasm or is there a missing reference somewhere?

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JO

I think the Airplane Linkedin is overrun by people who say they work on an Airplane (the word not the company) :) It looks like they only had ~20 employees so not a super large team.

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SW

> For example, last I heard, another one of our competitors (with the initials SB) has less than $1M in ARR and has 40+ employees. as an investor in an "SB" that is tangentially related, i panicked a bit. found https://www.trustradius.com/products/retool/competitors and went "ah." yeaa many such cases

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IJ

If they released the customer's data in some sort of specified format, would you support importing their workflows into Retool?

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TI

Our startup evaluated Airtable, Retool, and Airplane, and settled on Airplane. We liked the Airplane because it's developer-friendly. But the way they throw all customers under the bus is sad. Hope the acquisition works out. I used to work for FileMaker, and from the business perspective, their products are complementary to each other.

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KI

I completely echo the sentiment of being frugal. (We are a competition to both retool and airplane and bootstrapped) One of the companies we sold earlier was around leadership learning content and I was attending one shoot where the CEO of india unilever business was recollecting lessons from professor Ram Charan. one of them broadly equated inverse relationship between aspiration and resource as a determinant of entrepreneurial mindset. And they at unilever used to artificially starve resources to create such an environment for out of the box thinking. Net net there mostly exists a way to achieve things with minimum resources. And tough markets calls for such measures even more.

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CD

Maybe it’s time for some startups to evaluate whether they should have 60 employees when they’re only bringing in $1M in ARR.

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PU

Another competitor of Retool with around 150 employees is very far away from 1m in revenue as far as I know. They recently did a layoff as well. VC money that flowed in 2021 has created a bunch a money burning machines.

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