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My experience was that everyone there was extremely smart, but all post-doc and top scientists in …

… My experience was that everyone there was extremely smart, but all post-doc and top scientists in their field (the team I worked on was looking for Anti-Alpha particles from gold-gold particle collisions that also helped create Quark Gluon Plasma). So I'm not sure their relative need for regular software engineers. In terms of bureaucracy, you're still working for the government. The scientists all complained about the layers of government bureaucracy but were mostly okay with it. High-tier science moves at a pretty slow pace; coming from a tech background you might not be used to the slow pace around the actual physical construction of some of these devices, let alone the fund-seeking, approvals, testing, runs, and data collection. and 33-50% is a hopeful estimate. Let's say one is a 500k a year senior/staff SWE at FAANG. at a similar level of experience, one's pay would be very lucky to break 150k. So fascinating science, layers of bureaucracy, slow moving stuff, PhD's in their fields, and reduced pay. …

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I have spent the last 10 years working for FAANG companies, but nowadays I find their performance-review and promotion obsessed cultures to be really draining. Worse, those negative feelings seem to be leaking into my personal life and slowly alienating friends and family. Therefore, I've been pondering a change of pace. The classic HN answer is of course "create/join a startup", but I've also been looking at areas more adjacent to scientific research. One option that has come up is the US Department of Energy's national laboratory network[0]. From what I understand, the pay is 33-50% of FAANG, but they do seem to have interesting projects (e.g. the nuclear fusion facility that was recently in the news). Has anyone here worked at one of them before? What is/was the day-to-day like? [0] https://www.energy.gov/national-laboratories

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There's a pretty decent need for software engineers at national labs and they occasionally do some cool stuff. If you've used ZFS on Linux for example, you've used something produced by LLNL. They do some pretty massive software projects and have a huge number of software testers. The ones I've interacted with were pretty exceptional.

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BNL has a bunch of software engineers doing cool data infrastructure stuff. The current project lead for matplotlib works there! https://www.bnl.gov/staff/tcaswell

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