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I worked for Sandia

I worked for Sandia. Pay is pretty good by almost any standards except FAANG. The glory days where every staff member got a real office with a real door are over (shared offices are the norm) but it's still a pretty decent work environment. Things don't move fast, as another commenter said. In my area of work, projects tended to last 1-3 years and you'd be on several projects at any given time. In general, it is ICs rather than managers who run the projects. Your manager might say "Bob over in 9876 has a neat project that could use somebody like you, send him an email if you're interested". You have to acknowledge that the core mission of the DOE National Labs is nuclear weapons. You might not ever come in contact with the mission, but it is there. They have strong HPC programs--because HPC as we know it is basically driven by the need to simulate nuclear weapons. Some people have moral objections to this, and that's fine! I thought it was a good place to work, all in all. …

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I have spent the last 10 years working for FAANG companies, but nowadays I find their performance-review and promotion obsessed cultures to be really draining. Worse, those negative feelings seem to be leaking into my personal life and slowly alienating friends and family. Therefore, I've been pondering a change of pace. The classic HN answer is of course "create/join a startup", but I've also been looking at areas more adjacent to scientific research. One option that has come up is the US Department of Energy's national laboratory network[0]. From what I understand, the pay is 33-50% of FAANG, but they do seem to have interesting projects (e.g. the nuclear fusion facility that was recently in the news). Has anyone here worked at one of them before? What is/was the day-to-day like? [0] https://www.energy.gov/national-laboratories

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I'm a computational physicist at Los Alamos and would echo these sentiments. Note that there are two main types of DOE labs: NNSA (Sandia, Los Alamos, Livermore) and Office of Science (Brookhaven, Berkeley, Oak Ridge, Argonne, ...). Although the former is more focused on "nuclear weapons stockpile stewardship", there is still much basic science at all DOE labs, especially where computer science meets physics and other domain sciences. Perhaps relevant to HN, I would mention the Applied Computer Science group at Los Alamos, which is in hiring mode ( https://www.lanl.gov/org/ddste/aldsc/computer-computational-... ). Besides supporting computational physicists in code development efforts, this group does a variety of researchy things like designing programming models and doing compiler development, especially with an eye towards large scale scientific computing. The pay at a DOE lab is less…

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My friends who worked there say that the job was great but living in a remote science outpost made dating unbelievably difficult

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I've worked at a few DOE sites albeit as a consultant not an FTE, Fermi, Los Alamos and a couple others. You are correct that the work is interesting and a like academic atmosphere, it was the academic atmosphere part that I found off putting. Where I worked there was very much a hierarchy and if you didn't have a PHD your opinion didn't matter much, you just did what you were told. Having a couple of decades of experience and being brought in to spin them up on their system and being talked down to on a daily basis like I was a Sophomore in college was really annoying -that said I'm a consultant so I get paid to be annoyed by the people who hire me. Aside from that I liked working there, the tech was cool, as far as the moral issues I don't ask nor do I want to know about what I'm working on -I don't have a need to know.

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I worked, as a civilian, for part of the R&D arm of the Navy, but it has a very similar feel to what you have posted. I would 100% agree with everything you have said, except the pay. One thing I will add is getting tools and resources to do the work you want to do can be a challenge. There can be times when getting through the process to buy a $75 multimeter can be more difficult then the $16,000 signal generator.

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Not all DOE national labs do weapons stuff. For example, Fermilab (FNAL) is pretty much all open science research. FNAL doesn't even have fences and the guard booth just checks to make sure you have a drivers license if you're driving. Argonne and Brookhaven are a bit more on the defensey side but not as much as say oak ridge or sandia.

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Hacker News welcome | new | threads | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit funajoy (1) | logout Worked at Sandia National Laboratories from 1990-2013 in ABQ/NM, after 10 years in the Silicon Valley (CA Bay Area). I was recruited as a PM in Nuclear Energy to lead joint, cost-shared programs with the US Power Industry. Worked in tech. leadership roles in many areas including Homeland security, Intelligence, Nuclear Deterrence and Emergency Response Readiness, Global Security and Leading a remote test site within a USAF Base. All Missions of National Importance. Had opportunity to help shape national policy and strategy, team with allies and work with some of the smartest technical minds. Great R&D resources and funding. It's world's largest engineering R&D organization with currentannual budget of >$4 billion and workforce of ~15,000 professionals. Having a MS or Ph. D. from top te…

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Worked at Sandia National Laboratories from 1990-2013 in ABQ/NM, after 10 years in the Silicon Valley (CA Bay Area). I was recruited as a PM in Nuclear Energy to lead joint, cost-shared programs with the US Power Industry. Worked in tech. leadership roles in many areas including Homeland security, Intelligence, Nuclear Deterrence and Emergency Response Readiness, Global Security and Leading a remote test site within a USAF Base. All Missions of National Importance. Had opportunity to help shape national policy and strategy, team with allies and work with some of the smartest technical minds. Great R&D resources and funding. It's world's largest engineering R&D organization with current annual budget of >$4 billion and a workforce of ~15,000 professionals. Having a MS or Ph. D. from top ten schools used to be requirement for entry. Salary is competitive, with excellent benefits including …

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Are you allowed to publish papers (for non-sensitive basic science/CS)? Do you have to relocate?

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